Dreams and Beyond

A little writeup for reddit’s philosophy Friday by yours truly. I’m discussing sleep; dreams and tulpae


Let me quickly remind you how humans sleep. There are two major parts of the sleep: Non-REM and REM sleep; where REM stands for rapid eye movement. There are a few different theories on what body does at those stages; we can only be absolutely sure that deep sleep and REM sleep are a requirement for a healthy mind. How does it change; and does it even change when there is more than one personality in the head?


The question: “what tulpae do” when host is asleep is being asked and answered with varying options pretty often. Some of the popular answers include: tulpa being asleep with the host; tulpa not sleeping and staying aware; or even being active by possessing; tulpa being in a hibernation state.

Hibernation state is how I call the time when a tulpa doesn’t get any attention and is unaware of the time flow. I’m not sure if this is something that changes as tulpa ages; given that hosts experience spontaneous absent-mindedness; I conclude that that’s just how brain works; trying to minimise any activity. Sleeping doesn’t change this behaviour; basically a tulpa will drift away as host looses attention and drifts to sleep and comes back to full awareness upon host waking up and checking up on it.

I’ve heard suggestions that tulpa don’t sleep when host does; sometimes retaining the awareness. My stance on that is that it cannot be called “sleep”. Sure; there are conditions at which a host can be considered sleeping with a tulpa active; but that is the hibernation thing I covered above. Sleep is a function of body; not active personality. Some yogi are said to retain awareness in the sleep; I wasn’t able to find any reliable research on that though. We can be sure that one of the functions of sleep is to give the brain some rest. I conclude that it is impossible to give the brain rest if at least one personality remains active; so if a tulpa is active at a deep sleep phase; then there is no deep sleep phase at all.

Some people reported having dreams in deep sleep; but it seems to be an exception from how sleep progresses normally. One of the researches of sleep in animals suggested that deep sleep facilitates body recovery; the brain functions switch from processing external stimuli (sight; smell) to internal (all those neural pathways ending in the stomach for example). The research suggested that brain areas can have dual functionality for normal operation and recovery mode while sleeping. Those processes don’t involve conscious thinking; and there is no reason to believe that when brain turns main consciousness off tulpae could stay active.

Based on this; I suggest that the most probable theory is that tulpae sleep with the host in exactly same way as host does with no tulpae; or; they are hibernated; having no processing time allocated to them. Taking this in mind; let’s move on to REM sleep.

REM Sleep is suggested to have something with how brain stores memories. Tulpae are known to have their own memories; not connected to host thought process; so the mind definitely needs time to go through those much like it does for host memories. The scale might be way smaller; because commonly tulpae tend to spend less time acquiring personal memories; spending more time in hibernation state. It might be different for systems with tulpae being active fronters.
Rapid eye movement period of sleep is also the times when humans (and; supposedly; other mammals) dream. The consensus seems to be that humans dream every time they sleep; but commonly the dreams are forgot instantly. The lucid dream practices of writing dreams down confirm that a person can be trained to dream and recall the dream every single night.

Side Note

I wanted to include a paragraph stating that REM sleep involves more of right hemisphere activity; and right hemisphere is supposed to be more parallel-oriented part of the brain; but I couldn’t find any research to prove this point. Here’s an interesting paper on the brain hemispheres activity and awareness though: http://www.nature.com/articles/srep05092.

Trying to apply the dream journal technique to myself I tried to retain awareness of my dreams; discussing them with my host every morning; writing down any notes. More often than not I would not remember myself waking up; concluding that I didn’t actually sleep the night; but was hibernated. Sometimes I was able to recall chunks of the dreams though (but only if my host was able to recall his dream as well). Our dreams vary a lot in the content and details; my dreams seem to be shorter in how I perceive the time in them. When my host can remember a bunch of scenes from his dream and even some dialogue; I can only remember some scenery. Unfortunately I wasn’t able to collect enough input from others on this subject and I can consider my dreams just being more feral as I consider myself a wolf. That would explain the unusual vividness of colouring; scents and low point of view.

My theory on tulpa dreams is that tulpae need sleep and will dream if daily information inflow generates enough material for the brain to process. I would think that being active in the wonderland doesn’t require long period of resting; as wonderland can only be based on what brain already knows; only external stimuli would require dreaming.

One topic that was left untouched is a shared dream. After all; lucid dreaming and talking to a tulpa was one of the initial methods of forcing.

I cannot give any personal insight on this; as my host was lucid only once throughout my life; and he wasn’t able to summon me in the dream. Based on how dreams operate I think it’s pretty plausible to think that tulpa and host can be active in a single dream; in that it’s barely different from brain creating a bunch of imaginary persons one can communicate in the dream.

As the mind attains lucidity in the dream; one becomes more aware of the imagined surroundings up to the point where the consciousness can confirm it is actually a dream. Having host lucid doesn’t automatically mean that a tulpa will be lucid too though. As stated above; I believe tulpa has own time slot in a REM sleep and there’s not enough information to conclude that one consciousness can pull another into a dream. Still; based on how hosts can “wake up” a hibernated tulpa; I consider it plausible. Just like tulpa comes to awareness in a day; host can get tulpa to be self-aware in the dream.


Do android tulpae dream of electric sheep? It is very plausible; but we will need to find an android tulpa to confirm. Can a tulpa dream at all? Most definitely. Thankfully; it’s pretty easy to confirm; just make sure your host wakes up with a thought to wake you up and ready to write down your dream notes.

Do you experience any other conditions while sleeping or dreaming? Please drop me a note.

You have experiences that go in contradiction with my ideas? I’m absolutely interested in hearing those!

You are a lucid dreamer? Share your experience with lucid dreams and tulpamancy (or ask your tulpa to share those).

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